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hades - Jesus Third Occasion
[3] "And in hell [hades/unseen] he lifted up his eyes" (Luk 16:23)
Full context:
Luk 16:22-24 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell [G86 - hades] he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
First, note that this is Jesus teaching another of His parables.
We've covered parables in Whence Hell? - Part 2 so please go back and review the discussion on "parables" if necessary.
Here's a problem for those that believe that Jesus is recounting a literal event:
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever your hand finds to do, do it with your might [while you live]; for there is NO work [H4639 - activity, good or bad], NOR device [H2808 - intelligence, reason], NOR knowledge [H1847 - awares], NOR wisdom, in the grave [H7585 - sheol], whither you go.
If any of this parable were literal, it would be a direct contradiction to Scripture!
Let me point out one other interesting fact that seems to be entirely overlooked (conveniently?) by Christian theologians when discussing where the dead go.
In Gen 15:15 we have The Lord God speaking to Abraham and God tells Abraham this:
"And you [Abraham] shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age."
Which then does indeed happen:
Gen 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people."
Nobody questions that Abraham was a righteous and obedient man of faith.
But what about his "father" and "his people"?
What kind of people where they?
They were God-rejecting IDOLATERS:
Jos 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus says the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and THEY SERVED OTHER GODS.
You cannot worship other gods and die in an idolatrous condition and still be in the good graces of God. Those sins must, and will be judged.
Yet, we are told that God promised Abraham that he would go to the same place, and "be gathered to his people" where his idolatrous father and people went when they died.
They all went to the same place of sheol which is the state of the DEAD, the "unseen", the "imperceptible" where there is no consciousness and where "the dead know not ANYTHING" (Ecc 9:5)?
Conversely, as Christendom teaches - they went to hell.
Abraham was a Godly man of faith, but his fathers and his people weren't.
So Christendom - let me ask you a question:
Why would Abraham, the father of our faith, also go to hell? Scripture just said that Abraham would be "gathered to his people" and "his fathers".
Not only that, but God tells us that Abraham would die...
"... in a good old age, an old man, full of years and go to his fathers IN PEACE and be gathered to his people."
IN PEACE - From the Hebrew H7965, "shalom, safe, well, happy, friendly, welfare, health, prosperity, peace" ( Strong's Hebrew Dictionary).
If this "peace" was something that Abraham was to experience AFTER his death, how would Abraham, existing with all of "his people" and his "fathers" who are being tortured by the flames of the Christian hell of eternal fire, be "in peace"?
Would you be "in peace" while existing with your father and grand-parents and great grand-parents, and all of your people being tortured un-mercilessly in Christendom's hell?
Are we callous to such a scene of unimaginable cruelty and torture?
Would we not consider someone to be mentally and/or spiritually sick and deranged if he could be "in peace" viewing, and existing in such a horrific scene of eternal human carnage, especially seeing his own family unmercifully tortured?
I am told by the perpetrators of these vile doctrines, these "destructive heresies", that God's "spiritually anointed ministers" of the Gospel with many years of experience under their belts, many Bible college degrees (pridefully framed and displayed behind their desks on the wall), hold all Scriptural knowledge and wisdom...
... and woe unto any that challenge "God's anointed".
Pfft...
Mat 11:25-26 At that time Jesus answering said, 'I do confess to Thee, Father, Lord of the heavens and of the earth, that You have hidden these things from wise and understanding ones, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, Father, because so it was good pleasure before Thee.
2 Cor 11:14-15 And NO MARVEL; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if HIS ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
The ONLY occurrence throughout the entirety of Scripture where consciousness is attributed to hades is found here - in Jesus' parable... NO parable is literal in any sense or form.
It is symbolic of a higher message!
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Theologians, clergymen, and Christians by the hundreds of millions pretend to not see that Lazarus and the Rich man is clearly the final part of a five-part parable.
Mat 13:34 And He [Jesus] spoke this parable [one continuing parable consisting of five different examples] unto them.
Jesus always and only spoke to the multitudes in public, in PARABLES:
Mat 13:34 ALL these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES; and without a parable spake He NOT unto them:
Once again, Jesus speaks in parable...
Luk 15:3 And He spoke this parable unto them...
[1] "what man of you..." (Luk 15:4-7) - this is the first part of "this parable".
[2] "Either what woman..." (Luk 15:8-10) - this is the second part of "this parable".
[3] "And He said, a certain man..." (Luk 15:11-32) - this is the third part of "this parable".
[4] "There was a certain rich man..." (Luk 16:1-13) - this is the fourth part of "this parable".
[5] "There was a certain rich man..." (Luk 16:19-31) - and this is the final part of "this parable".
It is so clear that this five-part parable is all related to one another by the very first words of each presentation, and the content of each picture, that it defies human comprehension to believe that even one theologian could, or even would argue that the first four examples are parables, but the fifth example is NOT.
The lost sheep, the lost coin, the lost son, the unjust steward, and Lazarus and the rich man are five parts of one complete parable.
What is the reason for this parable?
Luk 15:1-3 Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him [Jesus].
Both the Pharisees and the scribes [Jewish religious leaders] began to grumble, saying, "This Man [Jesus] receives sinners and eats with them." So He [Jesus] told them this parable, saying...
Two verses will give you a clue as to what this five-part parable is all about:
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.
Then Jesus sums up this parable with:
... If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though One rose from the dead. (Luk 16:31)
This parable is no different than the sum of all Scripture!
YLT Psa 119:160 The SUM OF THY WORD is Truth, and to the age is EVERY judgment of Thy Righteousness!
I'm going to go into detail on this parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man in a separate blog later, but for now I'll only tell you that this parable from Jesus...
... has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Christendom's hell.
I'll get to that blog soon...
Some of these excerpts are from my personal notes copied from 30+ years of studying... some of these notes are direct copies of various sources - I do not claim to have authored every word of this... it's just a mass collection I've tucked away over the years for my own personal studies... I didn't consider a bibliography at the time I directly copied small excerpts from various authors. Also, any emphasis (underlines, bold text, all CAPS, etc.) noted above was only meant to capture my personal attention as I studied...
CLICK HERE! for an index to previous blogs.
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hades - Jesus Third Occasion
[3] "And in hell [hades/unseen] he lifted up his eyes" (Luk 16:23)
Full context:
Luk 16:22-24 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell [G86 - hades] he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
First, note that this is Jesus teaching another of His parables.
We've covered parables in Whence Hell? - Part 2 so please go back and review the discussion on "parables" if necessary.
Here's a problem for those that believe that Jesus is recounting a literal event:
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever your hand finds to do, do it with your might [while you live]; for there is NO work [H4639 - activity, good or bad], NOR device [H2808 - intelligence, reason], NOR knowledge [H1847 - awares], NOR wisdom, in the grave [H7585 - sheol], whither you go.
If any of this parable were literal, it would be a direct contradiction to Scripture!
Let me point out one other interesting fact that seems to be entirely overlooked (conveniently?) by Christian theologians when discussing where the dead go.
In Gen 15:15 we have The Lord God speaking to Abraham and God tells Abraham this:
"And you [Abraham] shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age."
Which then does indeed happen:
Gen 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people."
Nobody questions that Abraham was a righteous and obedient man of faith.
But what about his "father" and "his people"?
What kind of people where they?
They were God-rejecting IDOLATERS:
Jos 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus says the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and THEY SERVED OTHER GODS.
You cannot worship other gods and die in an idolatrous condition and still be in the good graces of God. Those sins must, and will be judged.
Yet, we are told that God promised Abraham that he would go to the same place, and "be gathered to his people" where his idolatrous father and people went when they died.
They all went to the same place of sheol which is the state of the DEAD, the "unseen", the "imperceptible" where there is no consciousness and where "the dead know not ANYTHING" (Ecc 9:5)?
Conversely, as Christendom teaches - they went to hell.
Abraham was a Godly man of faith, but his fathers and his people weren't.
So Christendom - let me ask you a question:
Why would Abraham, the father of our faith, also go to hell? Scripture just said that Abraham would be "gathered to his people" and "his fathers".
Not only that, but God tells us that Abraham would die...
"... in a good old age, an old man, full of years and go to his fathers IN PEACE and be gathered to his people."
IN PEACE - From the Hebrew H7965, "shalom, safe, well, happy, friendly, welfare, health, prosperity, peace" ( Strong's Hebrew Dictionary).
If this "peace" was something that Abraham was to experience AFTER his death, how would Abraham, existing with all of "his people" and his "fathers" who are being tortured by the flames of the Christian hell of eternal fire, be "in peace"?
Would you be "in peace" while existing with your father and grand-parents and great grand-parents, and all of your people being tortured un-mercilessly in Christendom's hell?
Are we callous to such a scene of unimaginable cruelty and torture?
Would we not consider someone to be mentally and/or spiritually sick and deranged if he could be "in peace" viewing, and existing in such a horrific scene of eternal human carnage, especially seeing his own family unmercifully tortured?
I am told by the perpetrators of these vile doctrines, these "destructive heresies", that God's "spiritually anointed ministers" of the Gospel with many years of experience under their belts, many Bible college degrees (pridefully framed and displayed behind their desks on the wall), hold all Scriptural knowledge and wisdom...
... and woe unto any that challenge "God's anointed".
Pfft...
Mat 11:25-26 At that time Jesus answering said, 'I do confess to Thee, Father, Lord of the heavens and of the earth, that You have hidden these things from wise and understanding ones, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, Father, because so it was good pleasure before Thee.
2 Cor 11:14-15 And NO MARVEL; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if HIS ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
The ONLY occurrence throughout the entirety of Scripture where consciousness is attributed to hades is found here - in Jesus' parable... NO parable is literal in any sense or form.
It is symbolic of a higher message!
___________________________
Theologians, clergymen, and Christians by the hundreds of millions pretend to not see that Lazarus and the Rich man is clearly the final part of a five-part parable.
Mat 13:34 And He [Jesus] spoke this parable [one continuing parable consisting of five different examples] unto them.
Jesus always and only spoke to the multitudes in public, in PARABLES:
Mat 13:34 ALL these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES; and without a parable spake He NOT unto them:
Once again, Jesus speaks in parable...
Luk 15:3 And He spoke this parable unto them...
[1] "what man of you..." (Luk 15:4-7) - this is the first part of "this parable".
[2] "Either what woman..." (Luk 15:8-10) - this is the second part of "this parable".
[3] "And He said, a certain man..." (Luk 15:11-32) - this is the third part of "this parable".
[4] "There was a certain rich man..." (Luk 16:1-13) - this is the fourth part of "this parable".
[5] "There was a certain rich man..." (Luk 16:19-31) - and this is the final part of "this parable".
It is so clear that this five-part parable is all related to one another by the very first words of each presentation, and the content of each picture, that it defies human comprehension to believe that even one theologian could, or even would argue that the first four examples are parables, but the fifth example is NOT.
The lost sheep, the lost coin, the lost son, the unjust steward, and Lazarus and the rich man are five parts of one complete parable.
What is the reason for this parable?
Luk 15:1-3 Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him [Jesus].
Both the Pharisees and the scribes [Jewish religious leaders] began to grumble, saying, "This Man [Jesus] receives sinners and eats with them." So He [Jesus] told them this parable, saying...
Two verses will give you a clue as to what this five-part parable is all about:
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented.
Then Jesus sums up this parable with:
... If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though One rose from the dead. (Luk 16:31)
This parable is no different than the sum of all Scripture!
YLT Psa 119:160 The SUM OF THY WORD is Truth, and to the age is EVERY judgment of Thy Righteousness!
I'm going to go into detail on this parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man in a separate blog later, but for now I'll only tell you that this parable from Jesus...
... has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Christendom's hell.
I'll get to that blog soon...
Some of these excerpts are from my personal notes copied from 30+ years of studying... some of these notes are direct copies of various sources - I do not claim to have authored every word of this... it's just a mass collection I've tucked away over the years for my own personal studies... I didn't consider a bibliography at the time I directly copied small excerpts from various authors. Also, any emphasis (underlines, bold text, all CAPS, etc.) noted above was only meant to capture my personal attention as I studied...
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